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New Board / TGIF Net Transcript 2025-10-03
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Preamble
CQ CQ CQ, good evening. This is K4WZV. TGIF net at 8 30 p.m. est on the TGIF server, tg 31665 for a pre-selected subject or other amateur radio topics. Emergency traffic may be indicated by a triple break and will be accepted at any time during the net. Ladies and gentlemen, please remember that this is a directed net, so please do not transmit unless you are directed to do so by the net control station. When you check into the net tonight, please say your call sign only and we need it phonetically, too. For example, this is K4WZV, Kilo 4, Westy Zulu Victor. All righty, do we have any stations that have any announcements, any news, or any other type of traffic for the net this evening? Please come now.
Check-in List
The following call signs checked in during the net, listed in a fixed-width font for alignment:
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N6CZE KA1PIT K5OKE NY2S
WA3ZHR KE2KL N4EJM KC5LAA
WB3GCK N4ZWR K2OZ N8MME
N9NJS KQ4IIV K2ANN KD6AJG
K8LR W4EV KCAUKB WA1WQC
K7DCE N3TJK KE8APO KV9Q
KM9Q WC7V KA3CUW KW0Z
WM3Q KE4TLZ VE6PLC KB1PZS
W5GDC KJ4LWZ K9FEH AD2CH
N2MRH KB3JQQ W1BET WB3IHY
KA7DLB K1WMP N1XQX KA2YED
N1TET VE3RD W2SHR KD4BJA
N4XV N4LDB NG5EN KF5KHS
K6GD KC8USA KD8KES KC9SIO
NS8G WD9HGO KB9LIQ AF7FS
NT9Q KB8PFL KB8M J69FL
VP5FL KX4XR KF5MG N9XR
K5GU N4HYK N2ISB
TGIF Trading Post
K4WZV: All right, this is Kilo 4 Whiskey Zulu Victor. Does anybody have anything they want to sell? Anything that you want to purchase? Or anything you want to trade? Or are you looking for something? Now's your chance to get it listed on the net this evening. Please come now.
KF5MG: Okay, this is going to be a multi-option issue here. First of all, I still have that Cisco 5G phone that can be used on the Hams Over IP and the second -- let's get the name of the network. I have CS300 -- 3,000 handheld and a Kinect Systems 800 mobile. So what I'm looking for is a Motorola VHF mobile radio in my vehicle, and I want to have any of those items or multiples of those items, if somebody wants to shop on those, purchase them. And I'm good on QRZ, KF5MG.
K4WZV: Okay, I think I got most of that. I probably missed something up here. You threw it at me pretty quick. Mark, KF5MG is good on QRZ. It's got a Cisco 504G, I think you said, one of the Internet radios that you can use on a ham radio hotline. It's got a Kinect Systems 3000, Kinect Systems 710, and a Kinect Systems 800 radio; is that correct?
KF5MG: I apologize. Cisco is a voice-over IP phone for hands-over IP, and it will work on that other network. I've got actually one 508G on the two systems, but the 504 will do the same thing. Yes, I'm good on QRZ and the radio CS800, CS710, CS3000. The CS800 is a VHF, and the other two units are UHF, KF5MG.
K4WZV: Right on, very good. We'll get ahold of you there, and KF5MG, if you're interested in any of that, shoot him an e-mail, and he can explain to you more in detail what he's got and what he wants to do with them there. So just shoot him an e-mail. Oh yeah, we got all that right, Mark, on QRZ, right?
KF5MG: Yes, sir, that's all good, KF5MG.
K4WZV: All right, very nice, very nice there.
Discussion
K4WZV: This is Kilo 4 Whiskey Zulu Victor. My name's Robert with TGIFNet, and it’s a pleasure to be your net controller. Open source software (OSS) offers many benefits, making expensive proprietary software seem less appealing. However, OSS has downsides, and IT leaders must weigh both to fit their needs. OSS has freely available code, developed collaboratively by communities. It began in the early days of programming, rooted in academic traditions of open knowledge exchange. Today, OSS allows programmers to use, deploy, or modify code freely, often at no cost, but they must follow the governing open source license. Examples include Apache, Audacity, Mozilla Firefox, Linux, and WordPress. Vendors like Cloudera, Databricks, Mozilla, Puppet Labs, and Red Hat support OSS. Proprietary software, conversely, is commercial, with code controlled by its owner, who sells, leases, or licenses it, also known as closed-source or non-free software. OSS is widely used, with 70-90% of modern software incorporating it, per the Linux Foundation. Over 50% of Fortune 500 companies use OSS for mission-critical tasks, and 77% of surveyed organizations increased OSS use in 2021, per the 2022 State of Open Source Report by OpenLogic and Open Source Initiative. OSS is cost-effective but may lack support and involves complex licensing (e.g., GNU GPL, BSD, Mozilla, Creative Commons, Eclipse). Companies must research restrictions, such as profit or non-profit use, to ensure compliance. Does anyone want to comment on open source?
VE6PLC: I think over the years, the amateur radio community has certainly benefited from the people who have really developed programs for our use, whether it's open source or minimal cost, but most of it's been free. We've certainly benefited from it. Ham's collaborating with one another. You get groups of Ham's working on a project, developing this and that, and then someone comes along and does some documentation for it. Somebody adds this and somebody adds that. My word, where would Ham Radio be without PyStar and WSJTX and some of these other software that we take for granted but use almost every day? Back to you, Robert, from V6 PLC.
K4WZV: Absolutely, open source has greatly benefited the Ham Radio community with tools like MMDVM and others. Some, like Ham Radio Deluxe, have shifted to paid models, but much remains free. Developers often need to recover costs. Ensure you understand license terms, as seen in past issues like OpenGD77. Licensing can be complex, with options like GNU GPL, BSD, Mozilla, and others, so research is key. Any comments or questions on open source?
NT9Q: Okay, thank you, Robert. It's open source. It's become very popular with people that use computers a lot. I'm not real sure, but I think that they created the open source because of Trojans and viruses that get into the equipment. If you get a piece of software and you're using it, you have no way of knowing whether it's taking information from your computer or taking information that you type in or any of the likes. In any case, open source, you can actually open the program up and go through the code, and you can tell if there's a Trojan embedded in there or a virus embedded. I think that's why open source has become very popular. Back to you, K4WZV, NT9Q.
K4WZV: You’re right, but even with open source, security risks remain, as hidden issues can persist. Be cautious with any software, including Microsoft or Apple. Freeware and shareware, like OpenOffice, offer great alternatives to paid software like Microsoft Excel. Always research before use. Any further comments?
KB1PZS: Yeah, I just wanted to mention that, you know, I started out using freeware and shareware for Windows-based operating systems. And, you know, obviously one of them was the Mozilla Firefox that used to be the Netscape Navigator. And there was a whole bunch of it. And eventually I ended up moving to Linux because I was on XP at the time. And XP kept -- I kept getting viruses and malware, and I had all kinds of -- I had malware bytes on there. I had all kinds of antivirus. I watched where I went. I didn't go to any sketchy sites or anything like that. I was still getting it. And I would have to dump my operating system and reload Windows every time and get all my drivers working and all that and get everything back to the way I had it. And I had to do that numerous times, and I think it was -- I think I told myself, "Oh, if this happens one more time, I'm going to switch to Linux." And it happened. So I switched to Linux. And when I went to Linux, I found that a lot of these freeware and shareware software packages were all on Linux. In fact, I learned that they were all written for Linux and for other open source and non-proprietary OSes like BSD. And so it was my surprise that everything that I was already using on Windows I could use on Linux, and that would include OpenOffice, LibreOffice, all kinds of Office suites that you don't have to pay Microsoft a million dollars for. As well as a lot of other software packages that covered a lot of what I was doing on Windows. So I pretty much was able to move everything over to Windows for the most part, except for a few specialized programs that I still needed to use. And then you don't have to worry about all those viruses and anything. If you get a virus on your virtual machine, you just delete it and re-instate a new instance of it. Then you don't have to have antivirus and all that junk. Anyways, hopefully I didn't time out. Back to NetControl. KB, one piece of this.
K4WZV: Great points. I plan to try Linux myself soon. Any other experiences with open source or proprietary software? We’re now moving to questions and answers on any amateur radio topic. No question is too small—ask away!
N2ISB: November 2, India Sierra Papa. Can you check me in, Robert? N2ISB, got you checked in, Charlie. 100. Got you checked in there, Charlie. Don't know what's going on here.
KW0Z: Thank you, Robert. On behalf of all the stations logged in to the TGIF amateur radio network tonight, I welcome you back to the show. It's been a long time. Great to hear you. (inaudible) For the amateur radio licenses. So don't hesitate to continue to study for your exam. Take your exam. And when the government opens back up, we'll see those licenses processed there. So we'll stay tuned on that. And keep up your good work there, Robert. Great to hear you on the radio. K4WZV, this is KW0Z.
K4WZV: Thanks, Steven. I was a bit rusty tonight and underprepared due to personal matters. Open source is complex—I got in over my head researching it.
KW0Z: Yes, sir. Copy on that. And, you know, I went back and looked up the invention of open source software. I forget the feller's name. I think it was John Stoller developing the GNU project, which was G-N-U. That's Gulf November Uniform. Bell Labs, Bell System, I believe. And so GNU, that took off in 1983, as I recall. And then everything else has followed. I remember working around the University of Kansas. There were some open source games and it seems like maybe Oregon Trail was one of them. I'm not sure. But I know a few developers way, way back in the day when bits were bits and bytes were bytes. But that's another story. Hey, you're doing a great job there, Robert. Keep up the good work. Toss it back to NetControl.
K4WZV: Yes, Roger that. I did find some history. The actual open source software began in the 1950s and 60s as a period when software and its source code were often shared freely with hardware. And then the mid-1980s saw the free software movement launch with Richard Stallman creating the GNU project, emphasizing software freedom. The term open source was coined in 1998 by a group including Christine Peterson, Eric Raymond, and others who wanted a business-oriented alternative to the free software philosophy. So a lot of different events happened there and I started reading into it and man, it got really involved there. So I kind of gave a brief thing this evening there because we could have talked about it for hours. Over.
KW0Z: Copy that, Robert. And each and every one of us is standing on the shoulders of a developer from way back when. And we've all contributed to that literature being written, too. One way or another, we are all beta testers. Some of us more so than others. So it's been quite a ride, quite an amazing evolution in the world of electronics and communications there. Toss it back to NetControl. K4WZV, this is KW0Z.
K4WZV: Yeah, it absolutely has. Especially with radios from China, hams are often beta testers, which saves money and leverages our troubleshooting skills.
N4HYK: Yes, sir. This is N4HYK, one of the older amateur radio operators. I should say licensed operators, which is quite different today than it was 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago and so forth. And I said that to say this. Are we, as amateur radio operators today, are we into more computer stuff than hardware stuff? Now, when I got into it, it was mostly hardware stuff. There was no computer stuff yet in the hobby. Not yet. Now, the reason I'm asking that question, I think someone on the network here looked it up one time. The average age of the amateur radio operator, licensed operator that operates here in the United States was about 68 or 69. And in some countries, the average age is 70 years old. So, now, I understand the younger people and a lot of younger people only do what we are doing right now. Is using this technology that takes computer software and so forth and so on. But, does the average ham think of that? Or even care about the computerizing of the system? All they know is they got an HD in their hand and it works. I'm going from self-experience yesterday and today. I just wanted to throw that out for food for thought for the ones who are still listening. Although, I know from experience, most of the people that checked in are gone. They're called check-inners. They check in and they're gone to the next place they check in. Those are my final thoughts. NetControl, this is N4HYK73.
K4WZV: Okay, Doc. Thanks for your comments there. Always appreciated there, for sure. You have a great evening there.
Acknowledgements
K4WZV: I want to thank a few people that are very important. First of all, I want to thank Mr. Mitch Savage, EA7KDO. Mitch started the TGIF network on a Raspberry Pi back in the day. Unfortunately, Mitch is a silent key. He did the Nextion screens. Just a great guy. It was a pleasure to be his friend. He'll always be in our hearts and our memories for as long as we're around there. Thank you, Mitch. Rest in peace, Mitch.
K4WZV: I want to thank James KF6S. James did the RADxA boards and the Nextion screens with Mitch. So, the RADxA and the PiStar. Just a great guy. He's also a silent key, and his memories will always be there.
K4WZV: I want to thank Mr. Ty Weaver, KG5RKI, for everything he's done with all the code writing to keep our servers and everything running as they do. Everything's running just absolutely fantastic. And thank you, Ty.
K4WZV: And I also want to thank Andy G7LRR for everything Andy does. Andy's a Tizer Iron Man. Those guys work together, keeping the dashboard. Andy did all the mesh boards and many other things in the backend to keep everything up and running and stuff there. So, thank you so much there, Andy.
K4WZV: I want to thank Glenn N3MEL that did the forum, and he's since retired. So, thank you, Glenn.
K4WZV: I want to thank Mark 82CH and Joe WP3IHY and everybody else that's involved. Doug KE5CDK that helped with the forum page, answering questions. Sending people in the right direction and all that. So, appreciate everybody's involvement with the network. Very much appreciate it.
K4WZV: And I can't keep forgetting, I can't forget Phil VE3RD and Vic VE3JAR for all the great documentation on NXIVM screens. And Phil with the NXIVM takeover and improvement of all the NXIVM screens and the recordings. The list goes on and on. Just everybody helping out. It's very much appreciated. So, thank you everybody.
Close
K4WZV: Okay, Doc. Thanks for your comments there. Always appreciated there, for sure. You have a great evening there. We're going to go ahead and close the net here. We've got some stuff to take care of. Appreciate everybody that checked in tonight. Very much appreciated. It was a pleasure being a NetController this evening. It's a pleasure to be part of TGIF network, and I hope everybody enjoys the network. And thank God it's Friday. This is K4WZV, and the net is now closed. TGIF Talk Route 31665 is now returned to regular amateur radio use. This is K4WZV. The Talk Group TGIF 31665 is now returned to regular amateur radio use. 73. Thank you.

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